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Post by speedemon5 on Oct 15, 2008 0:11:23 GMT -5
Ok i just wanted to post this cuz i saw that a good friend may make a bad coice when purchasing the new 700xx (Cadman). Ive read way to many reviews on hondas first big bore IRS sport quad... Verdict so far is dont buy one... at least not till theyve been on the market a while and had all the kinks ironed out.
Pros: IRS = terrific ground clearence. 686cc = Lots of torquey power. ergonamic seat and rider controls = easy and comfortable to ride.
Cons: More torque and horsepower and very light in front end limits riders to gentle trail riding. IRS means NO power slide or donuts. Weighs in a nearly 600 lbs. try jumpin and man handlin this bad boy... to wide and low agility means NO tight or technical trails.
Okay, i may be biased because im a more aggressive rider, however many shoot outs have been done with the 700xx vs. Raptor 700 and 525 outlaw, with the raptor winning and the outlaw second. This may be a great general trail rider, but it hasnt really been tested over a long period of time so be warned. And i hate to say this cuz im a loyal honda buyer. I dont know about hondas new "big red"... comments?
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Post by palerider on Oct 15, 2008 17:41:52 GMT -5
I have to agree SpeedDemon. The 700xx has been put up against other big bore sporties (Raptor 700 and KTM 525) and Honda lost. To be more fair, they put the 700xx against the other IRS sportie (Outlaw 525) and Honda lost again. As SD mentions, the overly heavy 700xx pushes bad in to and out of corners making it a poor choice for muddy/sandy trails plus the bad front/rear weight ratio makes it hard to handle on rugged terrain/whoops/etc. For me personally, I don't like the enclosed chain drive system in the rear. Even though it allows longer rear arms, it makes working on the chain a big pain in the a$$.....and almost impossible to clean and lube right. I say leave the 700xx as a pipe dream and buy smart. If you want the displacement, the Raptor 700 has won every big bore shootout it has ever been in (and has a digital dash for '09) and if you want the IRS, it has to be the lighter, balanced and faster accelerating Outlaw 525. Plus, the Outlaw has that KTM motor which is reason enough for me!  Look at the KTM quads.......on their first year as a quad manufacturer they have become the primo ATV out there......beating every other company (who have been building them for decades!!) IF you are an absolute diehard Honda buyer......then stick with the 450 or 400ex. Just my opinion!  |
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Post by clemzexp6969 on Oct 15, 2008 20:12:26 GMT -5
ok i have to disagree with the irs= no powerslide or donuts, lol my 600lb irs brute force will powerslide and do donuts like theres no tommmorow, im sure the honda can throw its weight around.
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Post by cadman on Oct 15, 2008 21:14:41 GMT -5
Boy you guys sure no how to crush a guys dream!  I just like the way it looks! Haven't really look into its performance yet! One more thing I JUST LIKE HONDA! |
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Post by skoalwolf on Oct 15, 2008 21:22:15 GMT -5
ya but have u seen the way cad drives his quads he is not crazy on then he mostly rides trails and he only goes fast down a straight of way he cant even get a rooster tail goin in sand so that quad should be ok with the way he drives and be nice to cad he maybe be a little slow in head but he still likes hondas if he was smart he would get a yamaha but he not good enough to get one of them he likes hes um how u say cheap toys u have to ride them easy or they will brake ride hard old fellow well on a honda it is ride slow old timer
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Post by cadman on Oct 15, 2008 22:00:45 GMT -5
ya but have u seen the way cad drives his quads he is not crazy on then he mostly rides trails and he only goes fast down a straight of way he cant even get a rooster tail goin in sand so that quad should be ok with the way he drives and be nice to cad he maybe be a little slow in head but he still likes hondas if he was smart he would get a yamaha but he not good enough to get one of them he likes hes um how u say cheap toys u have to ride them easy or they will brake ride hard old fellow well on a honda it is ride slow old timer This comes from a guy that can't handle his wreck little grizzzzzzz, that wont be riding with us old "slow" guys on our hondas this weekend! ;D As a side note:Riding a Honda when your Grizzzzzz is wrecked must not be all that bad! Ain't that right there Wolfie?  |
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Post by skoalwolf on Oct 15, 2008 22:08:03 GMT -5
wow that almost sounded like a priceless moment but when u want to ride i guess sometimes u just have to ride a honda when u have to
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Post by speedemon5 on Oct 16, 2008 8:57:01 GMT -5
ROFL... sorry wolf, but i think that many loyal yamaha owners would like to kick your butt for even letting it touch the seat of a honda, but i think it was peer-pressure cadman! take a look at that group picture... if it werent for the raptor WE brought, that would have been a Honda's only ride! I dont wanna crush your dreams cad i just want you to be "informed." I think if i coulda done my buying experience over, i woulda done alot more research and got a trx450r. but i cant live without reverse so im content. I have one suggestion however, if you go to hawkeye honda sometimes they have a demo model you can ride. see how it does before you ride it. it may just be another UTE without 4wd stuck in the mud at gob hill.....
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Post by palerider on Oct 16, 2008 16:43:12 GMT -5
Hey Clemz....you are correct about an IRS quad being able to powerslide and do 360's. The 700xx just has trouble with some of those tasks because of it's light front end. It's power and rear weight "push" the front end when you try to turn quickly. The IRS isn't the culprit, it's the poorly balanced weight ratio. Utility quads are heavy and balanced pretty good so they can use their power to perform very well, much like the IRS Outlaw. Personally, I think Cadman would be fine with one as I don't think he plans on doing any race-level speeds through the tight timbers. Or maybe I just know he HAS to get a darn Honda.....and I would hate to see him pout.  hahahaaa You can always get the suspension reworked to help with the handling Cadman....so GO GET IT!!!!! ;D ;D |
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Post by skoalwolf on Oct 16, 2008 17:55:45 GMT -5
palerider u no who wears the pants in that family and dixie said no cuzz cad didnt have enough brownie points yet maybe next yr at this time he might
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Post by cadman on Oct 16, 2008 19:02:21 GMT -5
Speedy! To tell you the truth I do really like that black with purple flames 450r that they have over at Hawkeye Honda but as wolfboy said I have to get some good brownie points with Dixie first! I know I may lose my guy card for saying that but I really don't give a darn! But I would very much like to ride the 700xx at least once........... OK maybe twice! AND Paleride If you would dust your seat off and go riding with us someday you might just change your thoughts on that!  ;D I know, I know ya don't have to even post it! ;D |
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Post by skoalwolf on Oct 16, 2008 20:37:50 GMT -5
beside cad if u liked my 700 grizz before it was wrecked lol ,but cad i got this for ya u buy dixie that quadski and i no for sure u can get anything u want beisde i think that quadski is around 20,000 have fun good luck
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Post by skoalwolf on Oct 16, 2008 20:45:56 GMT -5
sorry cad u need to sell your house it is 46,000 base price or your soul but u will probly gt more for the house
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Post by Dixiechick on Oct 17, 2008 15:45:10 GMT -5
sorry cad u need to sell your house it is 46,000 base price or your soul but u will probly gt more for the house Probably get more than $46000.00 for our house? I hope to shout!!  Then, again, in todays housing market: who knows? ;D Skoalwolf, did you really find a price for the Quadski? I know its way more cash than I would be willing to spend but I'm curious as to how much their asking for it. |
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Post by skoalwolf on Oct 17, 2008 16:05:06 GMT -5
what i saw was 46,000 for the base price of the quadski but it is wider than my grizz and goes about 50 mph on land and i think it was 70 on water something like that
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Look at the KTM quads.......on their first year as a quad manufacturer they have become the primo ATV out there......beating every other company (who have been building them for decades!!) IF you are an absolute diehard Honda buyer......then stick with the 450 or 400ex. Just my opinion! 
I just like the way it looks! Haven't really look into its performance yet! One more thing I JUST LIKE HONDA! 
;D I know, I know ya don't have to even post it! ;D
Then, again, in todays housing market: who knows? ;D